Then to avoid that kind of thing, what should it look like?
The experience of other countries, usually the first to be pursued is the disclosure of truth (truth seeking). From there it can be taken to court or historical rectification and others.
If truth is sought through the rectification of history, what concrete efforts are made to achieve it?
It must be an official from the state, and for gross human rights violations from the experience of other countries yes through the Truth Commission. The commission's report is used as a reference by historians, educational institutions, or can be at least one of the official narratives issued by the state.
Indonesia once had Law Number 27 of 2004 concerning the Truth and Reconciliation Commission. However, the Constitutional Court stated that the law was contrary to the Constitution and had no binding legal force through Constitutional Court Decision No. 006/PUU-IV/2006.
As a victim, what do you demand about the 1998 disappearances?
All I demand—of justice, of truth, restoration, of the guarantee of non-recurrence. Only the most urgent, the most urgent, it is to know the fate and whereabouts of the 13 people. Where? How? It is for determination.
Hence in such cases, the state that intervenes gives status to the victim's family. For example, based on the investigation, it was concluded that A was no longer there (died) because of this event. That the victim can accept. So there is a closure (end point), not waiting for which there is no end.
Hence enforced disappearance is the mother of all evil, because there may be kidnapping, torture, murder, deprivation of liberty, people are not treated equally before the law. And internationally, it is an ongoing crime. He stops when the victim's whereabouts are known and there is an end point. So actually, like Wiji Thukul et al, the missing crime is still going on.
So this is an ongoing crime. When it comes to the mechanism of human rights courts, this is not a violation of past human rights, this is a violation of human rights today because it is still ongoing. Who knows the victim is still alive.
Prabowo said in the presidential debate that the kidnapped parties had joined his camp.
It is not proof that there was never a kidnapping of her. His kidnapping once happened. Pius, Desmond, who joined him [in Gerindra] was once kidnapped. Budiman [Sudjatmiko] who never experienced kidnapping (he was imprisoned).
Deciding to join him (Prabowo), does not mean that his crime never existed. Crimes against humanity are not personal, not civil. If it's civil, we reconcile is over.
Hence the call of crimes against humanity. If Andi Arief has a business with Prabowo, you can solve it, but this is not just a personal matter between the two.
Prabowo also said the issue was politicized. His team called this an issue that arose during the 5-year elections. What is your response as a victim?
The answer to the joke is yes because every 5 years Prabowo is president. If Prabowo does not press, the victim will not raise the issue. But to say a five-year issue, no.
You only care every 5 years. Mr. Utomo, Mr. Paian, we, every day are fighting, every Thursday holding Kamisan (action demanding the resolution of human rights violations at the State Palace).
This is not a 5-year issue. It's a 24-hour, 24/7, 7-hour and 24-hour activity."